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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
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... For comparison a 7mm Remington mag has 2938 ft. lbs and a 50 BMG has 14,000ft. lbs.


All readily available in the US for self protection I take it.

Correct. The 7MM Rem mag is a popular round in the west for Elk hunters and those pursuing other game that often presents itself at long (further then 300 yards) range and the 50BMG is popular for those that want the best of the best and want to prove it by punching targets a mile away. It is way beyond my price point but there is one for sale in my nearest gun shop for $8500. They can keep it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.... 50BMG is popular for those that want the best of the best and want to prove it by punching targets a mile away. ...


People at rock concerts? Or do they go for semi automatics?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
.... 50BMG is popular for those that want the best of the best and want to prove it by punching targets a mile away. ...


People at rock concerts? Or do they go for semi automatics?

Taliban in Afghanistan or paper or steel plate targets. With steel you can hear the clang.The 50BMG is a round and can be had in single shot, semi auto and full machine gun configurations if you have the license. BMG stands for Browning machine gun which was used in WW1 ,WW2 and to the present.
But at $3.50 per round it is not a poor man's toy.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-pty-pty_maps&hsimp=yhs-pty_maps&hspart=pty&p=barret+50+bmg#id=1&vid=aff2deddd63241bb10289e3e28a5d847&action=click
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er., what has any of this got to do with SUVs and EVs? Or are they just used as gun platforms?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Er., what has any of this got to do with SUVs and EVs? Or are they just used as gun platforms?

It is just a side drift from SUVs that are armored for rich people.
Now back to our originally scheduled program. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that critics of SUVs disregard is that the U in the acronym stands for utility. Many owners buy them for the utility function they serve. One buddy of mine owns a livery service in the Boston area. He runs several mid sized SUVs along with Lincoln Town cars and a mini bus picking up and dropping people off at Logan airport etc. The passenger seating and luggage capacity fill the bill when picking up a family coming home from vacation. I think he is running two hybrids at present in the small SUV category and would certainly go all EV when it made business sense to do so. But the Chevy suburban has it's place in his line up and probably will for years yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK most SUVs are used to boost sagging egos and take the kids to school as mentioned before. A few are used to pull the horse box and even fewer for farm or related work.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:
In the UK most SUVs are used to boost sagging egos and take the kids to school as mentioned before. A few are used to pull the horse box and even fewer for farm or related work.

What about your tradesmen. electricians, plumbers carpenters and such. No vans full of tools and parts? No crew cab pickups?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ford Transit FTW.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most UK tradesmen use vans. There are loads of sizes and the VAT is recoverable which is not the case with SUVs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most UK tradesmen use vans. There are loads of sizes and the VAT is recoverable which is not the case with SUVs.

Vans are SUVs. At least in America they are, along with all pickups that don't have dual wheels on the back. I think the ones you are going on about are the modern version of the station wagon which can have three rows of seats and four wheel drive. To a soccer mom with more then two children they provide a lot of utility to her.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK a van is one of these:

or these:


A (high end) SUV is one of these:

or these:


I think the UK calls SUVs what America might call a modern station wagon.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK an SUV drives all four wheels. Vans generally only drive two. Pickups with cabins and a separate cargo area can be 2 or 4 wheel drive.
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PS_RalphW wrote:
In the UK an SUV drives all four wheels. Vans generally only drive two. Pickups with cabins and a separate cargo area can be 2 or 4 wheel drive.
Hear you can get a van in two or four wheel drive as desired. I would expect with how seldom it snows in most of the UK and the amount of roads that are paved that a 4x4 van would be quite rare. Having the 4x4 running gear increases weight , reduces available payload, and consumes gas even when not engaged just moving the extra weight.
One of my daughters moved to Atlanta for work. One of her friends there recently purchased a new Lincoln Navigator . They got it in two wheel drive as they never leave pavement and an inch of snow shuts Atlanta down so they have zero experience driving in snow and don't want to learn.
If a utility vehicle is used for just personnel use it is not a tax write-off but even a passenger car if used mostly for business is. I know of a man that had an extensive paper route of three hundred stops a day. He did the route with a Ford Festiva getting 40MPG and had to change the brake pads every two weeks. He could and did write off all his mileage at the Federal IRS rate then current , about 40 cents per mile. He didn't pay much income tax on a net of $25K a year. A woman driving the kids to soccer practice is paying full freight. If she uses the same vehicle to make deliveries from her flower shop each mile is a write off.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
Ford Transit FTW.


Had to look up FTW and it seems to have a different meaning either side of the pond. "For Those Wondering" this side, "For The Win" the other side.
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