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Fire wood, price, availability and means of processing.
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PS_RalphW



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:27 pm    Post subject: Fire wood, price, availability and means of processing. Reply with quote

Thanks for the early warning. I am getting in more logs this afternoon. Burnt the last of my seasoned wood last week.

This post and those following have been split from the thread about natural gas prices and supplies.
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Potemkin Villager



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daughter is staying with us a the moment and the logs are going faster and faster......
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woodburner



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give her a saw and a tree. She’ll keep warm and get some exercise.
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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you hate doing same day stump to stove?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who mentioned using the stove? That’s for next winter.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some thoughts on UK gas supply/price/ storage from our American cousins.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-13/uk-gas-crisis-out-frying-pan-fire
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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
Who mentioned using the stove? That’s for next winter.

PS_RalphW sounded like he was out of dry wood. Been there Done that. Spring is just a week away. Still snowing here. It has been at it for thirty hours now and is getting tiresome. 18 inches and still coming. School closed for second day and I need to go out and plow again.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW said the logs were going faster and faster, not that he was out of dry logs. Anyway, he’s near a city so can easily get some imported from the countryside. Very Happy
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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
PS_RalphW said the logs were going faster and faster, not that he was out of dry logs. Anyway, he’s near a city so can easily get some imported from the countryside. Very Happy
You have confused RalphW with Potemkin.
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PS_RalphW



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in a village. I get my logs from an ancient woodland 2 miles away managed as coppice for wildlife, and cut by hand by volunteers. I loaded the car with the logs myself.
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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
I am in a village. I get my logs from an ancient woodland 2 miles away managed as coppice for wildlife, and cut by hand by volunteers. I loaded the car with the logs myself.

Aren't most woodlands ancient? And what is the point in hand cutting the wood?
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woodburner



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
woodburner wrote:
PS_RalphW said the logs were going faster and faster, not that he was out of dry logs. Anyway, he’s near a city so can easily get some imported from the countryside. Very Happy
You have confused RalphW with Potemkin.


No I haven’t.
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woodburner



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
I am in a village. I get my logs from an ancient woodland 2 miles away managed as coppice for wildlife, and cut by hand by volunteers. I loaded the car with the logs myself.


You are rather near a city, anyway, my comment was just a joke about sustainability.
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PS_RalphW



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:

Aren't most woodlands ancient? And what is the point in hand cutting the wood?


It is hand cut for practical and traditional reasons, the wood is small with limited access to wheeled vehicles, and waterlogged a lot of the time. On occasions the heavy timbers have been dragged out by horse to limit damage to the soil structure. In the UK very little woodland has been continuously wooded since medieval times, and all woodland has been actively managed for at least 2000 years. This patch has not been clear felled long enough to qualify as ancient and therefore get extra protection.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS_RalphW wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:

Aren't most woodlands ancient? And what is the point in hand cutting the wood?


It is hand cut for practical and traditional reasons, the wood is small with limited access to wheeled vehicles, and waterlogged a lot of the time. On occasions the heavy timbers have been dragged out by horse to limit damage to the soil structure. In the UK very little woodland has been continuously wooded since medieval times, and all woodland has been actively managed for at least 2000 years. This patch has not been clear felled long enough to qualify as ancient and therefore get extra protection.

Having skidded out logs with a team of horses from my second growth wood lot I can see where they can do less (not no) damage compared to mechanized equipment but I fail to see why a quick cut with a sharp chain saw is inferior to a man sweating away with an axe or buck saw. The wood leaves and a pile of saw dust or wood chips remains. What pray tell is the difference?
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