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Vortex2



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:34 am    Post subject: I have been away but I'm back now. Have I missed much? Reply with quote

Hello all,

I left the forum ages ago ... I was posting far, far too much and so I had to call it a day to ensure my sanity.

However I'm back.

Have I missed much?

Is Peak Oil still a thing?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back.

Peak oil is still of concern, though the present relatively low price suggests that it is not here just yet.

Peak natural gas may arrive sooner. Concerns exist regarding the very limited UK storage capacity for natural gas.
Discussed in this thread
http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13150


There are also concerns about a potential shortfall in UK electricity generating capacity.
Demand has fallen for some years, but capacity has fallen faster.
See here
http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26255

There is considerable debate regarding Brexit.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back, V2.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the welcome!

House update :

See the Living In The Future topic for details of our eco barn converion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone at work asked me what happened to Peak Oil - my answer was 'fracking'. But that's only kicked the issue a few years down the road, and in the meantime caused loads of pollution and methane emissions.

Right now I'm more concerned about increasingly erratic weather as the world heats up, affecting food supply and thus all of society. Similar outcomes to passing the oil production peak in some ways.

But the fact that we are now having to manage on lower EROEI supplies of energy hasn't changed, whether that's fracking or renewables, and this will have a bearing on the direction and lifetime of our current civilisation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

welcome back Vortex at some point I still think we will have a fast crash Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonny2mad wrote:
welcome back Vortex at some point I still think we will have a fast crash Shocked
May I ask why a fast crash vs. a long slow emergency which we might already have entered?
I think both are possible but can't decide what events would push it one way or the other.
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kenneal - lagger
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long is a long emergency and how short is a fast crash?

I think we will have a long emergency leading to a fast crash!! The system will go down the roller coaster ride which we are currently experiencing to a point where the complexity of our modern life fails and we go off a cliff edge. There will still be all the trappings of modern life until we go over the cliff and then there will be iron age living again. As VT has said there will be plenty of strap steel with which we can relearn the art of blacksmithing.

As the population will be severely reduced there should be enough iron to go round for quite a time but eventually, when the scrap runs out, there will be severe problems because all the ore deposits readily available to the current population centres went about 100 years ago. That goes for almost everything that the last industrial revolution was based on.

What comes after I have little inkling of. I would have thought that the rise of a new civilisation based on the harnessing of natural processes, ambient temperature and pressure chemistry, as nature uses would be the only way for mankind to progress.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tess, Vortex, Mike, Ken, Adam, and Johnny 2mad on a forum.

Have I just woken up and its 2005!!

If it is 2005, next year i'll be making making four square metres of flat plate solar panel for my roof.

I'm sure they'll still be kicking out heat in 2019!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stumuz1 wrote:
Tess, Vortex, Mike, Ken, Adam, and Johnny 2mad on a forum.

Have I just woken up and its 2005!!

If it is 2005, next year i'll be making making four square metres of flat plate solar panel for my roof.

I'm sure they'll still be kicking out heat in 2019!


Adam2 is different from Adam1 although he does still occasionally contribute and is around in the world of Facebook.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, adam1 pre-dates my membership, but I am more active these days.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2005?

Gosh, I have just left an astongishly well paid job in mobile telecoms to start my own audiology practice.

Been poor ever since ...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bet you're happier now though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2005 was the year I started the AEES Masters at the CAT... and learned about PO!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too. I started in March. Wonderful time that was! I do ask myself how much some of the graduates learned though given their overwhelming propensity to support unlimited immigration into the country.

Talking to one of them for two hours in a pub one night finally elicited the information that "I like being European" as their main reason for being against any sort of Brexit. That from an educated person. What are the rest of them like?
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