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Lord Beria3



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of that is attracting rave reviews from the commentariat and the labour movement. But thus far, there is no evidence that Nandymania extends beyond the confines of Parliament and the upper echelons of the trade union movement. It may be that it spreads out from there to the Labour party membership once the hustings, particularly the televised hustings, are underway, but the evidence thus far all points one way: to a contest between Starmer and Long-Bailey.
 

SB latest... still a toss up between lawyers...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of that is attracting rave reviews from the commentariat and the labour movement. But thus far, there is no evidence that Nandymania extends beyond the confines of Parliament and the upper echelons of the trade union movement. It may be that it spreads out from there to the Labour party membership once the hustings, particularly the televised hustings, are underway, but the evidence thus far all points one way: to a contest between Starmer and Long-Bailey.
 

SB latest... still a toss up between lawyers...


I just can't see RLB beating Starmer in a final vote.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nor can I.

I think it's going to be between Starmer and Nandy.

Need to write up my FI predictions for 2020 this weekend, what are your thoughts UE.

My initial instinct was that Starmer will win it but been thinking recently that the momentum is with Nandy and she could pull it off with the 2nd preference votes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on anecdotal evidence its looks like Starmer to lose.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The people who lost Labour the election are the same ones in this pathetic leadership line up. Meanwhile, the media and you daft buggers on here wank on about the minutia of which one will be the winner and what qualities they will bring to the job for Labour. Like it makes a single solitary toss of difference.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-people-who-lost-the-election-for-british-labour-hate-the-working-class-20191217-p53kq3.html

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The people who lost the election for British Labour hate the working class

Chris Uhlmann

Whatever happened to “Bregret”? Obsessive followers of the saga of Britain's attempt to extract itself from the European Union will recall this term was coined to describe the feelings of those poor dumb, mostly working-class, sods who had naively voted Leave and were now wracked with remorse.

There were, we were assured, droves of them who would swing decisively behind Remain at a second referendum, if just given the chance to repent.

The group pushing for a second poll even dubbed itself “People’s Vote”, convinced it was the authentic voice of the masses who had clearly been suffering a bad bout of what its Marxist sociologist mates would call “false consciousness”.

In August last year The Observer trumpeted that “more than 100 Westminster constituencies that voted to leave the EU have now switched to Remain, according to stark new analysis”.

“The trend is starkest in the north of England and Wales – Labour heartlands in which Brexit sentiment appears to be changing.”

A couple of paragraphs on we learned from where this world-class analysis had sprung. “The study was jointly commissioned by Best for Britain, which is campaigning against Brexit, and the anti-racist Hope Not Hate group.”

This single sentence neatly sums up everything that is wrong with loud, self-basting “progressive” insiders. It was propaganda masquerading as research that should have been punted to the kerb by the Sunday sister of The Guardian, a newspaper which published some brilliant work on the seething anger growing in working class communities in the UK prior to the Brexit vote.

The participation of Hope Not Hate in the exercise was a nod towards the suspicion that everyone who voted Leave was also probably a racist, because they railed against EU rules which allow the free movement of labour.

Whenever working-class outsiders complain about how an immigration or economic policy blights their lives the response of the enlightened insiders is to brand them either “racist” or “stupid”.

This is the judgment of those who make or champion enlightened policies but don’t live in the frontline suburbs where they land. It is not their jobs, wages or communities that are asked to endure wrenching change.

It is evident across the Western world that there is now a chasm dividing inner-city internationalists and the working-class nationalists who sustain their lifestyles. Many in wealthy city sanctums are now so disconnected from their sources of food, wealth and energy that they are voting against them or seeking to ban them.

This is an increasingly bitter battle between the winners and losers from globalisation. The Economist has reported that Chinese import competition caused 20 per cent of the losses in manufacturing jobs in America and whole regions went into permanent decline.

Most of the “creative destruction” that followed the international opening of markets was in the jobs lost by blue-collar men. That also helped destroy the lives of their wives and children. Manual workers across the West now face fewer jobs and falling real wages, so is it any wonder their anger is rising.

These are not privileged white men. They were the ones that emptied your garbage, dealt with your sewerage, built your machines, dug in dangerous mines, grew your food, lived hard but proud lives and had the privilege of fighting and dying on the frontline whenever we called a war.

On the other side of the divide are the city-based knowledge industry workers who are enjoying all the benefits of free-trade and the free movement of immigrants without having to bother with any of the downsides.

This divide was something the British Labour Party, with its deep roots in working communities, should have been able to recognise. Its historic project is to defend working people, so it should have pitched its tent with them and sought to address their very real concerns. And at their heart was a scream of rage against imperious, unreachable EU bureaucrats and a fear that the free movement of labour was an existential threat.

But Labour was torn between its traditional base and the woke progressive class that had invaded it. That had grown into a legion when the party allowed supporters who paid just £3 to vote in leadership ballots.

This crowd came with all the verities of the new age and all their many prejudices. At base they really hate the working class. They hate their jobs, their cars, their sports, their music and their lifestyles.

So Labour chose as leader Jeremy Corbyn, a gold-plated, copper-bottomed, ocean-going Trot from central casting. And the working class really hates Trots. It was a marriage made in hell.

The British election saw an abject rejection of the party of the workers by the workers. It turned out they weren’t suffering regret. They were enraged. Maybe it’s time to try to understand why, because a real workers' revolution is sweeping the globe
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am hesitant to post to newspaper links, but I did read this one this morning after a posting:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3466485/How-Blair-cynically-let-two-million-migrants-Explosive-biography-reveals-PM-s-conspiracy-silence-immigration-debate.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the real reason why Bleh let in hundreds of thousands of migrants was that the corporate lobbyists told Bleh that they wanted migrants to bolster economic growth and keep down wage inflation. All that bollocks about a multi cultural society is just a cover story to keep people off the real reason.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
I think that the real reason why Bleh let in hundreds of thousands of migrants was that the corporate lobbyists told Bleh that they wanted migrants to bolster economic growth and keep down wage inflation. All that bollocks about a multi cultural society is just a cover story to keep people off the real reason.
yes

In fact, the entirety of the so called "culture wars" have always been a cover for an economic war.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lisa Nandy looks like the only candidate with room to grow

The only candidate who a majority of Labour members have not heard of is Lisa Nandy, which means she is the candidate who has to worry least about shifting existing perceptions. If she can, by the end of this contest, introduce herself to the 58 per cent if members who have not heard of her and leave them with as favourable an impression, she can win.

Like Starmer, her positioning looks to be about where the membership is.

A note of caution, however: becoming more well-known is a double-edged sword. It’s striking to me that 42 per cent of those currently backing Nandy say it is “important” that the Labour leader be working class. Nandy is not working class and has never pretended to be. She just has a Northern accent. Then again, given that she is attracting the support of just 30 per cent of members who say it is important that the next leader be from an ethnic minority when she is the only ethnic minority in the field these two things may cancel each other out – or it may be that what members say they want isn’t as revealing as how they end up voting.


https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2020/01/everything-points-same-way-victory-keir-starmer

NS saying that Starmer is on course for victory but Nandy has potential to grow her support once the hustings start.

My take is the Starmer is most likely to win but Nandy will end up second place by the end of the leadership race.

I could be wrong though.

RLB has had a poor campaign and the latest abortion controversy hasn't helped.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:09 pm    Post subject: A fascinating talk Reply with quote

I have never heard D Cummings before - another northerner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDbRxH9Kiy4
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lisa-nandy-vows-use-british-21302637

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Lisa Nandy vows to use British steel in Government contracts if she becomes PM

EXCLUSIVE: The 40-year-old believes the industry should be central to discussions about the future of the economy and says the use of use British steel will revitalise destroyed communities
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My money is (literally) on Nandy!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Beria3 wrote:

RLB has had a poor campaign and the latest abortion controversy hasn't helped.


She hasn't really done anything. I reckon she thought her best chance of winning was to start as front-runner, and hope to win based on momentum's backing, a bit like Johnson did in the tory leadership election. It's not enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Yru2Ridk0

Keirs pitch to the membership. Interesting stuff.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile, following Boris Johnson's breaking with tradition by not nominating the traitor Bercow for a seat in the House of Lords following the disgraced former Speaker's antics in reworking the rulebook to stave off independence, the "radical", Jeremy Corbyn has stepped in to restore convention by nominating Bercow.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7904117/Jeremy-Corbyn-nominates-John-Bercow-peerage.html

Just one more reason to totally hate the Labour party, Corbyn and his follow on candidate.
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