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PS_RalphW



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our household has over 60 and school age occupants. Isolating one from the other is impossible (when the children have mental health and learning difficulties)
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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vermont reports 256 cases today and 12 deaths (population 630K)
The governor has in effect closed the borders with surrounding more infected states by ordering all hotel accommodations including air B&b and campgrounds closed. Out of state people that arrive and have vacation homes or family to stay with are required to isolate for 14 days then join the rest of the state with social distancing (No mask, no gloves no service).
We have six friends and relatives in the state which are in high risk groups and my wife has several family members in Massachusetts which are also elderly and high risk.
I'm waiting for the first incident when somebody comes up from New York and is driven back at gun point.
My you live in interesting times.
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Little John



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Farage on most of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVmb51qNthg&feature=share&app=desktop

I think we are rapidly reaching a point where this becomes unsustainable. I think the answer will take a variety of forms.

Firstly, as soon as someone is recovered, they get issued a certificate and must re-enter the workforce and normal societal activities if able to.

Secondly, all people under the age of, say, 40 have all restrictions of movement removed, as above, but with strong advice to stay away form elderly relatives and vulnerable people.

Thirdly anyone in a vulnerable group or elderly, who wishes to, may elect to be issued with certificate allowing them unrestricted movement. But, if they elect to do that, they waive their automatic right to ICU treatment if NHS capacity is breached. If it is not breached then, of course, they have as much right to it as anyone else.

I think some combination of any/all of the above will need to be put into place by May or people are going to progressively defy this lock-down.


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Little John



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this is an interesting question

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236760-we-dont-know-why-so-few-covid-19-cases-have-been-reported-in-africa/

The article does not touch on it. But. I wonder if there may be a genetic explanation hiding in there.
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UndercoverElephant



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
And this is an interesting question

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236760-we-dont-know-why-so-few-covid-19-cases-have-been-reported-in-africa/

The article does not touch on it. But. I wonder if there may be a genetic explanation hiding in there.


I think the answer is here:

https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/2019/
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fuzzy



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asians are hacked off that we don't have masks:

https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2020/03/not-wearing-masks-to-protect-against-covid-19-is-a-big-mistake-top-chinese-scientist-says.html

I must confess I have yet to wear one outside as I have simply not seen or heard of anyone in my rural area with it. I did post some of mine to a relative in care work. These people may need them soon - but she is very rural as well and has not seen it either.
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Vortex2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:
And this is an interesting question

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236760-we-dont-know-why-so-few-covid-19-cases-have-been-reported-in-africa/

The article does not touch on it. But. I wonder if there may be a genetic explanation hiding in there.


I think the answer is here:

https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/2019/

So how does that explain Iran?
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Vortex2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzzy wrote:
Asians are hacked off that we don't have masks:

https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2020/03/not-wearing-masks-to-protect-against-covid-19-is-a-big-mistake-top-chinese-scientist-says.html

I must confess I have yet to wear one outside as I have simply not seen or heard of anyone in my rural area with it. I did post some of mine to a relative in care work. These people may need them soon - but she is very rural as well and has not seen it either.

My wife and I wear them ... but haven't seen a single other person in town wearing one.

(I called our local volunteer group offering some spare masks ... they weren't interested ... but then called back later saying 'Err Yes Please')
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vortex2 wrote:
fuzzy wrote:
Asians are hacked off that we don't have masks:

https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2020/03/not-wearing-masks-to-protect-against-covid-19-is-a-big-mistake-top-chinese-scientist-says.html

I must confess I have yet to wear one outside as I have simply not seen or heard of anyone in my rural area with it. I did post some of mine to a relative in care work. These people may need them soon - but she is very rural as well and has not seen it either.

My wife and I wear them ... but haven't seen a single other person in town wearing one.

(I called our local volunteer group offering some spare masks ... they weren't interested ... but then called back later saying 'Err Yes Please')


I will swap a box for narcotics with the incompetent NHS priests when the time is right.

Excellent local NY city coverage. I notice the US reports everything by city or state so statistic never seem huge:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/nyc-sees-a-coronavirus-death-every-2-9-minutes-in-horrific-six-hour-stretch/
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Mean Mr Mustard II



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graun live feed -

Quote:
The ONS has published the first of its new weekly bulletin which will include all instances where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate and will include non-hospital deaths.

A total of 210 deaths in England and Wales that occurred up to and including March 20 (and which were registered up to March 25) had Covid-19 mentioned on the death certificate, according to new figures from the Office for National Statistics.

This compares with 170 coronavirus-related deaths reported by NHS England and Public Health Wales up to and including March 20.


So we might still get a more reliable weekly figure, delayed by ten days. Big divergence there already.

Wondering how restrictive the criteria for mention of Covid 19 is too, as there's no testing outside of hospitals.
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Vortex2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:
And this is an interesting question

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236760-we-dont-know-why-so-few-covid-19-cases-have-been-reported-in-africa/

The article does not touch on it. But. I wonder if there may be a genetic explanation hiding in there.


I think the answer is here:

https://www.populationpyramid.net/africa/2019/


... but don't forget the vast numbers of those with HIV in Africa ... they won't do so well with Covid-19 ... at least 15 million people, and 10% of the population in several countries ...
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Vortex2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russia ...

Russia has around 1 million with HIV, 2 million alcoholics, 4 - 6 million regular drug users.

Not a ideal place for COVID-19 to make a visit.
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Vortex2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Human civilisation will end due to ... cardboard shortage caused by the crisis

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/31/uk-faces-cardboard-shortage-due-to-coronavirus-crisis

This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper. T. S. Eliot.
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Vortex2



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sex tips in this time of plague from Ireland

https://www.sexualwellbeing.ie/sexual-health/sex-and-coronavirus/

Consider using video dates, sexting or chat rooms. Make sure to disinfect keyboards and touch screens that you share with others. ... err, OK.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-food-crisis-looms-as-farms-idle-countries-hoard-supplies.html

Quote:
Large-scale lockdowns to contain the coronavirus outbreak have hurt the supply of manpower and disrupted supply chains in the agriculture industry.

The United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization said the world risks a “looming food crisis” unless measures are taken fast to protect the most vulnerable, keep global food supply chains alive and mitigate the pandemic’s impacts across the food system.

As of now, disruptions are minimal as food supplies have been adequate. But price spikes are more likely for higher value products like meat and perishable commodities rather than for major staples which are still in adequate supply, said the FAO.


This is now looking like a very real problem. There's a big risk of a vicious circle -- as soon as people/countries start to fear a food crisis, the more likely they are to hoard supplies or stop exporting. That exacerbates the crisis, causing more of the same response. And there's no way to stop the vicious circle so long as the net shortage remains.


Anyone know what happened to those EU Butter Mountains and Wine Lakes ??
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