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kenneal - lagger
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Jeremy Farrar, Director of the Wellcome Trust and member of the Sage committee speaking on BBC Hardtalk to paraphrase, "(the virus) is very transmissible and can be transmitted when no symptoms are shown" and "the idea that only a small part of the population gets it is wrong.". "We are in the early stages of the disease and only know about the acute symptoms and don't know about the chronic symptoms that even mild infections are producing".
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope?

Thought not
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bloke is the director of one of the foremost medical research bodies in the world and an advisor on the Government's Sage committee so I would think that he knows what he is talking about on a TV interview, not the usual place to cite references. I will believe him over you any day of the week, LJ.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
The bloke is the director of one of the foremost medical research bodies in the world and an advisor on the Government's Sage committee so I would think that he knows what he is talking about on a TV interview, not the usual place to cite references. I will believe him over you any day of the week, LJ.
Ah, so that would be the one who, when interviewed on Radio 4 about demonstrating the efficacy of masks using blind randomized studies, said that he didn't put much store by such studies in this case.

I'm not kidding.

Meanwhile, did he cite, in this interview, the study or studies to back up his assertions? Can you cite a single study that has done so?

I mean, that really shouldn't be too difficult...right? Given that is the entire edifice of rationale for the legally coerced muzzling of non-elderly, non-frail, non-symptomatic and/or asymptomatic people in public places.

So, got any studies to share which demonstrate the widespread asymptomatic transmission of Covid19? That's before we even get onto the issue of the efficacy of paper masks or cloth face coverings.

Any at all?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?


Did he say that ? It's not what I read.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:
So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?


Did he say that ? It's not what I read.
If he did not say that, then what the hell is his rationale for the coerced wearing of face-coverings by non symptomatic or asymptomatic, non elderly and non frail people... you know... around 85% to 95% of the population?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:
So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?


Did he say that ? It's not what I read.
If he did not say that, then what the hell is his rationale for the coerced wearing of face-coverings by non symptomatic or asymptomatic, non elderly and non frail people... you know... around 85% to 95% of the population?


I assume it's to slow the spread of the covid virus, I can't see any other credible reason.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53678508

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Coronavirus: England's contact-tracing app readies for launch


Ah, yes, leading the world. South Korea has its contact-tracing up running in April.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote:
Little John wrote:
So, did he cite the study that showed asymptomatic transmission on a wide scale?


Did he say that ? It's not what I read.
If he did not say that, then what the hell is his rationale for the coerced wearing of face-coverings by non symptomatic or asymptomatic, non elderly and non frail people... you know... around 85% to 95% of the population?


I assume it's to slow the spread of the covid virus, I can't see any other credible reason.
Slow the spread on what basis?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

But what do they know, eh ?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The studies into the long-term effects are starting. It will be a while, but some early work has been published.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile, the Tory government has been doing what it does best by handing out profitable PPE contracts to their mates with little or no oversight. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1291244082145177600
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

careful_eugene wrote:
Meanwhile, the Tory government has been doing what it does best by handing out profitable PPE contracts to their mates with little or no oversight. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1291244082145177600


Oh Joly! the uber remainer on steroids golf club wielding fox murderer who tried every pathetic trick to stop us leaving the EU Moangham.

Yes, That'll be a subjective account.

I wonder if he will tweet when the refund is paid?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stumuz1 wrote:
careful_eugene wrote:
Meanwhile, the Tory government has been doing what it does best by handing out profitable PPE contracts to their mates with little or no oversight. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1291244082145177600


Oh Joly! the uber remainer on steroids golf club wielding fox murderer who tried every pathetic trick to stop us leaving the EU Moangham.

Yes, That'll be a subjective account.

I wonder if he will tweet when the refund is paid?

TBF I think he's highlighting something here which needs consideration, it's a pity that the official opposition aren't all over this. Do you think a refund will be paid?
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