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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Ebola outbreak Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28108668

Not PO related, but interesting. Now officially the worst ever recorded ebola outbreak, and currently "out of control."
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be off-topic to your off topic, this sort of reminds me of ISIS. By declaring a caliphate with the ISIS boss as Caliph, they are making a 'back me or die' message to more moderate Sunni groups. The boss needs to be very certain of the loyalty and quality of his personal bodyguard, a lot of people previously neutral will now want to see him dead, for all sorts of reasons.

Let us hope ebola remains self-limiting by being so virulent it kills its host faster than it can spread.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the past Ebola has indeed been self limiting as it generally kills the host before the disease can infect others outside the immediate circle of friends and family.

It seems unwise to count on this continuing with the increasing availability of fast motor transport and air travel.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, paradoxically, this disease becomes more dangerous if it evolves to a slightly less dangerous form. And, of course, natural selection will be working on that little problem as we speak. That is to say, the slightly less deadly but equally virulent strains will spread more easily and so become the dominant strain over time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The current spread is due to the very remote location, the local beliefs and funeral practices, and the widespread distrust of the state, which is high corrupt, and very thinly spread. Local witchdoctors are the primary sources of knowledge and vary between being totally incorrect and actively harmful - one became an inadvertent major spreader of the early outbreak, whilst denying any such disease existed.

We do not know if it will spread as rapidly in high density, but better informed, cities.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Ebola managed to be spread to more temperate climes e.g. Europe or America could it survive the temperature or would an outbreak run out of steam because of an incompatible environment?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Standuble wrote:
If Ebola managed to be spread to more temperate climes e.g. Europe or America could it survive the temperature or would an outbreak run out of steam because of an incompatible environment?


I suspect that it could readily spread and result in substantial loss of life. The disease spreads from one human to another via body fluids, live or very recently dead humans are at blood heat and I therefore suspect that climate is not that relevant.
And anyway, in summer many major western cities are almost as warm as the tropics.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhat off-topic, I just read Doomsday Book by Connie Willis. I think a few folks here might enjoy it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Ebola outbreak Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28108668

Not PO related, but interesting. Now officially the worst ever recorded ebola outbreak, and currently "out of control."


Agreed, not PO related specifically, however you could say the problem is a facet of the globally connected world that fossil fuel exploitation has made possible. As the Ebola outbreak continues to develop, there is a possibility that someone with the virus could hop on a plane to London.

If we were travelling internationally at the speed of a sailing ship, there would be time for the disease to show itself in an infected person, and for the ship to be quarantined before it landed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ebola really shouldn't be much of a problem for a halfway decent public healthcare system and educated population. I don't think someone turning up on a plane into London would be that serious... famous last words! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Ebola really shouldn't be much of a problem for a halfway decent public healthcare system and educated population. I don't think someone turning up on a plane into London would be that serious... famous last words! Twisted Evil


Now imagine the plane is heading towards Syria or Iraq instead.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevecook172001 wrote:
So, paradoxically, this disease becomes more dangerous if it evolves to a slightly less dangerous form. And, of course, natural selection will be working on that little problem as we speak. That is to say, the slightly less deadly but equally virulent strains will spread more easily and so become the dominant strain over time.


Or alternatively and more seriously it could stay just as dangerous and become airborne. At the moment it's spread by direct contact with bodily fluids so it's relatively straightforward to contain.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Ebola really shouldn't be much of a problem for a halfway decent public healthcare system and educated population. I don't think someone turning up on a plane into London would be that serious... famous last words! Twisted Evil


Hopefully you are correct, but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePfyYIkntNE
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also in Nigeria
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28498665
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